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Postby thievingsquirrel » Sat Aug 15, 2015 7:33 pm

Ok, you got me completely. Oh well
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Postby ruffriders23 » Sat Aug 15, 2015 7:39 pm

thievingsquirrel wrote:Ok, you got me completely. Oh well


Look at this Squirrel... in these same forums you have Playmage Admin and Support telling a guy that the Guild Shop only has good cards RARELY because they don't want to water down the competition basically. So... their solution... buy gem pulls. BUT... when you show that Gem pulls result in the same garbage you can get through your Guild Shop or levels... they go radio silent. It's a circular argument on their end... spend money on better cards... but when you do spend real money to get better cards, you basically end up no better than when you started.
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Postby Sigourney » Sun Aug 16, 2015 6:35 am

I think its obvious that there becomes a point where Gem draws are no longer worth it for higher level players.....unless something changes, your just throwing your money away.
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Postby pmsupport » Sun Aug 16, 2015 9:33 pm

Hi ruffriders23, I didn't say that you can only get good cards from gem recruitment. I meant and only meant the appear rate of 6 star cards in guild shop is low because we don't want to devalue the gem recruitment too much. You can still get good cards from guild shop and you just need to wait patiently for them to appear.

ruffriders23 wrote:Ok... let's say the Demeters can evo after the expansion... I only have 2 6*'s. Evo to a 7, and I STILL need 2 more to get another 7. No telling how many pulls I'd have to do to get not one, but TWO more. The cards you mentioned are HP cards outside of Chimera... and duplicates for me, as well as cards you COULD get in the Guild Shop. The point of a gem pull should be to get cards you could otherwise NOT get. If I can get them in levels or the Guild Shop, why am I burning real dollars and gems to get the same cards?

The 200 gem pull is equally as random... if you can even say random. Anything from a possible 8* down to a 6* Cat Thief or Birdman. And... the times I've done the 50 and 200 pulls, I've gotten just as much garbage as the 500 pulls. The reason you do a 500 pull is volume. You technically have a better chance at pulling a Chimera or Apep or something. But... as I've shown... your chances of a "good" card are 15% at BEST. OH... and lower level players don't have 500 gems to burn, and likely won't spend real $$$ on a game they can't even be sure they are good enough to compete at with their low-level cards. The people spending $$$ are gamers.


We introduced guild shop because players were saying we should provide a way for non-paying players to get 5 star and 6 star cards. Yes, they can get some of the good cards that are in the gem recruiting list, but they need patience to get them. By doing gem recruitment, you can get 5 star and 6 star cards immediately. But since the 50-gem and 200-gem recruitment is a random drawing system and every high level player has many good cards in their deck already, it's not guaranteed that the random result will be satisfying each time. Your card draws are not bad at all even for mid-level players. If you don't like the random system, the game also provides the 250-gem recruitment which is a fixed 6 star card.
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Postby ruffriders23 » Mon Aug 17, 2015 9:39 am

The truth is there is no real advantage to spending money on Gems vs. waiting for a HP card to show up in your Guild Shop. Blow $100 and 3,000 gems and get 5 cards worth keeping... no thanks. And as someone else said, there reaches a point where it just isn't worth doing Gem draws for high level players because the cards are NOT going to be even as good as the ones you have. 500 gems gets you a 6* card, a 4/5* dragon or two, then feeder cards for the 6* card you got... which you don't need since you already have plenty of feeder cards from the Apocalypse runs you did and DIDN'T get the gold chest, the worthless PAL point cards the game insists on you getting, and the jewel dragons you run on Monday when there is nothing else to do.

I get it... this is a game and the pulls are "random"... but again I say... the gem pulls should be for cards you could not get ANY OTHER WAY. Why burn 50, 200, or 500 gems on the outside chance (I've already proven it is a 10-15% chance of a rare card worth using for those who have played more than 2 guild wars) of getting a "good" card. Who cares if I get a Lillith... if I need another one to evo, then 2 more to evo from there... and the ONLY way I can get Lillith is through random gem pulls?!?!?!? I could do 100 more pulls and not get another Lillith... so the one I have is not really an "evo" card after all.

See where I am going with this PMSupport? The gem pulls are for rookie players... not seasoned vets. You want newbies to spend money to get better cards, but newbies won't spend money on a game they are losing at because the starter cards are not that good once you start getting past chapter 2 or 3. And, since they are rookies... chances are their guild is not good either... so they won't even get guild boss cards. It's a circle I know... but it's one you also don't seem to have an answer for other than "a 200 gem pull gets you a stable 6* card, and a 500 pull gets you at least one 6* card and other cards that you can use to evo." Remember... I still need ANOTHER one of those cards to evo, and God only knows when I'll get another one!!!
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Postby pmsupport » Mon Aug 17, 2015 8:52 pm

Hi ruffriders23, thanks for the feedback. I will forward it to the team.
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Postby Gizmet » Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:00 am

Wow, ruffrider. You sure are sounding kind of like a whiny brat here. If you go to a casino and lose 100 dollars in a slot machine, do you believe you're entitled to a refund because you didn't hit a jackpot? Although really, that's not even a good comparison, since you're complaint is that out of 6 pulls, you "only" got 5 cards "worth keeping." So it's more like if you spent 100 dollars on a slot machine, ended up with about eighty to ninety dollars and then demanded a refund.
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